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The value proposition of social media sites like Twitter has always been somewhat vague to me. I've stated before that I'm skeptical of social media, and that I'm not one to jump on social network bandwagons. I recently purged a bunch of people from the list that I follow on Twitter because I wasn't seeing any value to reading what they had to say. There's only so many hours in the day, and I'd prefer not to spend them reading about what other people had for lunch.

I know that part of my problem with aggregating too much information is the workflow I use. I'm extremely linear when I process things: I work from oldest to newest when reading news in Google Reader. It's only in the last couple of months that I've started marking whole categories as read, even if I hadn't read them: "if I'm not reading them, why am I aggregating them?" is the question I ask myself. When I reload the Twitter home page, I scroll down to the last thing I read (or the bottom of the page, if I'm that far behind) and then work my way up. I rarely page back to see items pushed off the home page. I use the Twitter home page because I haven't found a dedicated Twitter client I like.

But the thing that's really stuck in my craw right now is duplication of information. Most of the people I follow on Twitter are also people included in my list of feeds in Google Reader. Whenever someone posts a new blog entry, there's almost always a Twitter message declaring that fact (our software automates this for us). I almost never click the link from the Twitter message to the blog post, knowing that the post will eventually be picked up by Google Reader for me to review. Most of the people I follow on Twitter also tweet enough other stuff to make it worth continuing to follow them on that service. A notable exception is, interestingly, CrunchGear: the overwhelming bulk of the CrunchGear tweets are simply the new posts that have gone online. Since I'm aggregating CrunchGear in Google Reader anyway, what's the value in following them on Twitter?

I could, of course, aggregate the Twitter feed(s), so that Google Reader is my sole source of incoming information. But I've noticed a pretty big lag in Google Reader most days, such that a tweet posted early in the morning by someone might not be displayed to me in Google Reader until mid-afternoon. Most of the time, this might not be a big deal, but every now and again someone will tweet something that merits an immediate response: either a question for which I know the answer, or a request for a recommendation, or even an invitation. These things can be time sensitive, and I'll have missed the window of opportunity if I rely on Google Reader catching them and displaying them to me.

It's this delay that also prevents me from using something like Yahoo Pipes to create some kind of filter to weed out the extraneous bits, so that I can focus on the compelling data from each disparate service I use.

The thought that started this little tirade was the idea that I might integrate my Twitter posts directly into my blog, in a fashion similar to Chris' lifestream. Rather than a dedicated page, though, I would simply grab my tweets and store them as a new Habari content type for display alongside my normal posts. I could then also include my Flickr photos, and whatever else I wanted, making the front page of my site the complete clearinghouse for all my online activities. Then folks could simply aggregate one site to follow what I'm doing.

It's a nice idea, but it fails in execution. In addition to the delays noted above for feed readers acquiring new data, the convenience of replying on Twitter is made more complex: a reader would have to see in my feed what I had posted to Twitter, then go compose their reply either at the Twitter site or in their Twitter client. Similarly for commenting on my blog, or on any Flickr photos I posted: following the lifestream is just one piece of the puzzle. Interacting with the information presented in that stream is the next hurdle.

What do you think? How would you like to simplify and integrate interactions with aggregated information?

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On skippy added:

I should point out that I'm not keen to switch feed aggregators at this point, either, in the event that there's some product out there that has already solved these problems. I'm pretty committed to Google Reader, after investing a non-trivial amount of time pruning and tagging my feeds. I could get an OPML export of the feed list, but I really, really want to stay away from feed readers that I run on my own hardware: Google has far more resources than I do for ensuring the quality and performance of their hosted applications.

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On Chris Dary added:

Skippy, have you checked out FriendFeed? It's a lot like Chris' lifestream concept - except that it can either be a dedicated page, or not. You can also just grab the RSS feed they expose, or you can use their API, or you can include it via javascript.

I'm using it currently on my homepage because I realized I blogged about once every three months, and once I was ready to blog again I'd re-read my previous blog and become embarrassed at how naive I was even three months ago.

The interaction portion is still tricky, though. FriendFeed has the ability to comment on other users' feed items, but frankly it seems shoddy at best.

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On Halfb8ked added:

I have had a difficult time moving to RSS feeds and aggregators, and I'm not sure why. I think I never found an aggregator that I liked, and "live bookmarks" never caught on for me.

I think there's a part of the "friendliness" of the web that gets sucked out by these things... less personality... more uniformity.

Now, I like the idea of merging my flickr feed, my twitter feed, and other such pieces and parts into my personal website, but then also realized doing that pulls some of the anonymity back out of the web. In some sense, this is very good for building relationships, but it is also very bad in terms of stalker nightmares.

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On Dr.Nik added:

I pretty much just dump services from time to time... I probably have 50,000 unread backlogged items on bloglines, which I used to follow religiously.
haven't even logged in since forever.

Given the dynamic and changing nature of the web, i change my 'flavour' of following every 3-6 months. This allows to me try and use to different services and things.... Right now... I am using DIGSBY.com which I find to service most of my basic social networking needs.
It has faults and issues, but for my simple purposes, works fine.

As for advancing the discussion towards aggregate display.... that's beyond me.

PS- That postcard kicked ass! I ain't gonna chop it up, It's in my post card collection file!

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On Chris J. Davis added:

The next step for my lifestream plugin is to allow you to make each source into a content type. That is on the drawing board, if not in actual working code.

Also the solution to your problem is to allow for commenting and responding form your site to each of the services you aggregate, if the API allows it. I believe that Flickr, Viddler and Twitter API's allow for that type of functionality.

Guess I need to take a look at this when I have internets at home. Thanks skippy!

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On Elfboy added:

I think twitter is annoying. Just post a short entry on your blog if you've got something to say.

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On Halfb8ked added:

Elfboy, one of my blog contacts does just that: keeps two separate categories on his blog: one for twitter-sized notes that don't deserve major entries, and one for the typical 200-250 word entries. The shorter entries get posted in the sidebar.

Twitter is a whole different beast... much more conversational in nature. Nik found a good article about that topic: http://tinyurl.com/6o4xsx

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On Josh Miller added:

I did this recently on my front page using Wordpress. Basically there is a plug in (called Feed Wordpress I think) that lets you put RSS feeds in and it'll repost them. The posts are all linked back to the originals. I only use it for other blogs and not social media sites however. Pushing Twitter to wordpress looks ugly and cluttered.

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